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Alton Sterling

Postby Uly » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:15 pm

Alton Sterling was shot dead by police, empty-handed, on Tuesday in North Baton Rouge while selling CDs.
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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby atomtengeralattjaro » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:19 pm

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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby Anonymously Famous » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:47 pm

Apparently he showed a homeless guy his gun in an attempt to get the homeless guy to stop harassing him to give him money. Then the homeless guy called 911, telling them about someone who was "brandishing a weapon." The police confronted him, and there was a struggle. His gun may have been in his right pocket, and he may or may not have been reaching for it when the shooting happened.

I hope that those investigating the incident (which include the FBI, the Justice Department, and State Police, but does not include the local police department) are as thorough and transparent as possible, and that justice can be found, whatever form that justice may take.
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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby Uly » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:26 pm

The man had been convicted of a felony before, which people are bringing up. However, I do not see what previous convictions have to do with the police officer who killed him.
i think the police handled this situation very badly, from start to finish. Furthermore, the police claim to have '"lost" their body cams.
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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby assdef » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:43 pm

The cops were cowards. Shoot a man 4 times while he's laying on the ground? That's the epitome of cowardliness.
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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby ThingerDudes » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:35 pm

Some of my thoughts about this incident as someone living outside of the US. A bit jumbled and disorganized, but here goes.

Given what we know right now, I think it looks really bad for the officers. However, from past instances like this, the officers more or less got away with it. I don't know too much about the American judicial system, but it doesn't seem like there's a very good track record for things like this. A lot of people are also talking about how police officers never speak badly about other police officers in cases like this. Seems to me this kind of thing always drives to a "us vs them" mentality which isn't good for anyone involved since it just takes people even further away from a solution. Just makes me think even more that the kind of anti-police mentality among minorities (especially black people) is a symptom of the problem at hand. People shouldn't be afraid of the police or hate the police, but as it is now, I don't think it's fair to blame the people who do.

idk people usually forget about things like this in a few months and when the public pressure is off the issue nothing tends to get done about it. Hopefully it doesn't happen this time, but as usual I'm not really expecting much other than empty rhetoric.

If anyone isn't aware yet there's also been a second incident in Minnesota that's arguably worse. A man named Philando Castile was fatally shot when he was reaching for his driver's license. Everything just seems like there needs to be some change in the police system and training.

It's unavoidable that the police will sometimes have to use lethal force, but I really don't think these people, and countless others, needed to die. I'm usually not a fan of governments or any organizations taking knee-jerk reactions, but this kind of thing happens way too often. It just seems like to me there's too many police officers that use lethal force too easily.

I don't really have any idea for solutions to things like this. Whether it's better police training or some change in the culture against racial profiling or something else. As it is now all I can say is that something needs to get done.

EDIT:

Ok now there were police officers shot during a protest in Dallas. Looked like things were going pretty peacefully before then. I was a little afraid something like this might happen. Hopefully this won't turn into another Ferguson type of situation. I understand the anger and frustration but I really don't think that kind of thing will yield any positive results. I really think that police brutality and actions like the shooting in Dallas are really the symptom of the greater problem, which is I think the divide between the people and the law enforcement, which I think could be argued to be another symptom of division between race/class/whatever. I don't even know what to think at this point about the whole thing, because it's really hard to think that this kind of thing will get any better as long as the division between people of different races/classes keeps increasing.

I don't even know if this is a problem exclusive to the US, given how there's an increasing presence in Europe and globally about immigration and things like that. Maybe everything is just a symptom of destabilizing global economy and people want to have something to blame about their misfortunes and then you get things like ISIS and Brexit and Donald Trump.

I just feel really upset when things like this happen because it's only going to serve to divide everyone apart and put groups of people against each other even more than it already is. I don't know I'm being a bit rambly because things are just not looking good right now.

I generally try to avoid talking politics/social issues/etc on the internet because it always feels like a useless argument but I just need to say something because things are just not looking good right now. I'm probably wrong about a lot of these things but I'm just really upset about the whole thing right now and I needed to vent somewhere.
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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby Uly » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:21 am

What really disturbs me is the Sam people who are saying that he had an illegal firearm are the same ones who got their panties in a sad when that Oregon Occupation guy got shot by the police while he was an a shootout with the police.
Another thing that makes me sad is the comments on the video. It's disgusting what little regard some people have for human life.
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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby Kellizaber » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:54 pm

Which Oregon thing? The one where a group of people declared war on the government or something? I think they were asking for it personally.

I've been kind of keeping up on all the shootings around here. The whole "black lives matter" is just another way to separate human beings from human beings and make an issue instead of figuring out how to integrate. While I do think there is an issue with white cops shooting black men, I also don't get to see a roster of who is shooting who on a daily basis. Are we only hearing of the shootings that people want us to focus on? Probably.

Anton Sterling: My opinion. I watched the video, I haven't done my own research but I've read plenty of comments that included what's been posted in here. Without any of that information and just with the video, it's the same opinion I had with Eric Garner. If you are approached by an officer of the law and he gives you commands, you obey. If you struggle you give them certain permissions. Add in a fire arm, if you struggle and you are armed and make any movement that isn't surrender you're giving further permission. The rest of his history which was unknown to the officers at the time just backs up what kind of a person he was. He made his own rules. I can see being a police officer in that situation and bringing him down. Four shots is definitely overkill but if it's your life versus theirs in that kind of situation I can also see panic and trigger finger and all sorts of possibilities.
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Philando Castile: I watched that video twice because I couldn't believe what I saw and I also couldn't believe his 'girlfriend'. The description of what happened before he was shot was that he was asked for his ID, told the officer he had a firearm in his back pocket or whatever, still went for his wallet and so he was shot. This one is a tough one because we don't get the whole thing on video. We can only speculate how the entire event went down. Honestly, if I had a gun on me and that's also where my wallet was I'd be telling the officer to get someone to come get it. I'd never put myself in a situation where I look more dangerous than I actually am. The only excuse I can give the officer in this one is that he was nervous and he shot.

This one made me sad for both the officer and Philando Castile because in my mind neither of them thought it was going to end this way. Routine traffic stop gone wrong. This one is one of those times where we have to learn from it for the future. Around here if one cop pulls you over there's usually a second cop coming as back up no matter what. Maybe there needs to be a law put in place for conceal carry states where officers must be in pairs so when someone says they're armed one person can watch and the other can search properly to prevent this? I don't know. This one breaks my heart.

Dallas: Just fucking ridiculous. I haven't searched, but since Trayvon Martin in 2012 I don't think I've read one story on a white officer shooting a black man in Dallas, so what the heck? I know it could happen anywhere, and in any place that it would happen it'd be senseless murders, but I just don't get it. My heart breaks for the families of all of the people affected by last night. The families of the officers killed, wounded, of the civilians killed and wounded, and anyone that witnessed the commotion. Talk about your PTSD. When people rallied in Ferguson I watched the live feed and was shocked that more people didn't get killed those nights. I would never put myself in the line of possible fire like that. I'd do my protesting safely behind my computer or through the mail to the local government, but not in the open with bat shit crazies like there are. I have two cousins that are police officers in the suburbs of Chicago and now I will fear for their lives 100x more than I ever have because they are white and cops and now real targets.

There was my rant I guess.
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Re: Alton Sterling

Postby Uly » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:45 pm

Honestly, Alton Sterling case makes no sense to me the man was being held to the ground, one officer riding him cowboy style, pinning his hands beneath him, while the other is on his knees like he's at an altar, pulls out his gun very casually, (if he was an immediate danger he would have moved quicker. It takes him about 1.5 seconds.) and than shoots him at goddam near point blank range, not once, six times. This wasn't self-defense, it was an execution. If they were in danger, the cop would subdue him. He never touches him. People keep bringing up is his criminal record. Ammon Bundy had an extensive criminal record, all of which should have been felonies, considering the nature and damage of his crimes, but he takes up armed resistance against the U.S. government and becomes a folk hero. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Kellizaber wrote:The families of the officers killed, wounded, of the civilians killed and wounded, and anyone that witnessed the commotion.

What about the people who had to watch him killed, his family, friends? Two sides of the same coin.

Philando Castille. By all reports he was an excellent person, no warrant for his arrest. So why would he shoot the officer? He had no reason to. Why would the officer shoot him flatass in his car?
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Oh yeah, and the Rampart scandal.

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